Lakewood girl's schools to finaly open
Girls in lakewood will have school starting monday. The schools who last week didn't have room for more students now- poof!- found space.
Will the quality of the student body suffer now? Will this send a message to the world: move to lakewood and no matter what frummkeit you raise your children the'll be a desk waiting for them?
Will this cause an already diminishing high standard of Torah living to fall more rapidly (CH"V)?
We'll see soon enough.
Will the quality of the student body suffer now? Will this send a message to the world: move to lakewood and no matter what frummkeit you raise your children the'll be a desk waiting for them?
Will this cause an already diminishing high standard of Torah living to fall more rapidly (CH"V)?
We'll see soon enough.
posted by Yeshiva Orthodoxy
at 2:24 PM
21 Comments:
no it proves that we will go out of the way for each child
The only message that it will send in my opinion is that it is completely inappropriate to exclude people from a Jewish education for whatever excuse you can cook up. Apparently the lack of space was a cover for some other issue.
Glad the girls are back in school. The parents should be fighting for transparancy that is obviously absent considering the situation you presented.
if a student has behavioral issues that is impacting the class most would agree he should be elsewhere. Now what if the low level of the students religious conduct affects his or hers peers.
R'Eliashuv was behind this. I doubt it was a matter of behaviour or religious conduct.
Behavior is a HUGE problem in our schools. But I do not believe this was a problem of behavior. If it was, the easiest and most effective thing to do is to split the students with behavior problems amongst the available schools rather than concentrate them in a school. Rav Pam zt"l endorsed such a method and it follows common sense.
But, like I said before, I doubt behavior was the problem.
Certainly every jewish child is precious and the community has an obligation to take care of him or her.
However If a school wants a parent body that enjoys a high standard of Torah life is that unreasonable? After all most orthodox schools do take into account if your home has a t.v. Clearly there are standards all over, and many families moving into lakewood don't adhere to those of the town.
You're off base -- these weren't marginal children. I know several children of Yungerleit who weren't accepted at their first choice or two and the registration period closed before they could apply elsewhere, leaving them on the outside looking in. It's easy to pigeonhole those the system doesn't work for as somehow unfit, but its simply not the reality.
I am concerned of the message that is being delivered, come one come all - and I mean all.
Those "of"and "in" Lakewood must be taken care of.
Do you think R'Eliashuv would go this far for people who don't hold the proper standards? I think if the students and their families were not 'up to par', Rav Eliashuv would not have gotten involved.
But won't thet be the unintended consenquence! All not worry about school acceptal in lakewood.
You're making a BIG assumption -- that the girls in question were from outside of the kehilla, either physically or hashkafically. It's simply not so. No precendent is being set to accept girls that aren't suited for the schools in the community - the girls in the lurch were simply those who "fell between the tracks" because chinuch has become a business and their famiies weren't as a adept as others at navigating the very politicized application process.
The world works through incentive.
Now because of the public pasak the incentive for, an eigth grader, and her parents, to study hard to get into highschool; more schools to open out of necessity, decreases.
It is obvious that the time has come for the Orthodox community to unite and form a school board that ensures that every Jewish child who wants to go to a Jewish day school that can be accomodated* be accomodated.
Frankly, it is ridiculous that a parent have to apply (mind you by forking up a handsome fee) to each school of their choice individually. Rather, there should be a central agency where the parents apply for a school and the kids can be placed in a school that meets their needs.
So you boy isn't the brightest bulb in Gemorrah, the board put him in a school offering a different track. So your daughter is at a very high level of Torah learning, she can be placed in an honors Bais Yaakov.
But, to leave a normal Jewish child without a school because the parents didn't have the foresight to cough up $50 to $100 to apply to every school in town. . . that is ridiculous!
*Obviously there may be children with unique situations that just can't be accomodated, but this is a rarity.
Every jewish child gets into a school eventualy. A central board would be completely overwhelmed. To pay a aplication fee because they don"t need parents to apply to all schools.It costs them money to process.
The pain that too many parents go through because their children are rejected from this or that school is avoidable. It is unacceptable that parents have to chase around this and that school to get one to accept their child.
There should be a central committee where one registers for schools. Let the central commitee bring the applications to the schools (parents can check boxes of which schools they want most), but the idea of having children without a school when the school year begins is sickening.
There are too many schools and parents.
I agree with you that there are too many schools. I also believe that the schools are too beholden to the parents. It is time to consolidate the schools and make everyone compromise.
You need compition and competitivness. Comprimise on what?
You need compition and competitivness. Comprimise on what?
I think it is time for everyone to give a little here or there for the sake of the future. In my community school tuition after kindergarten BEGINS at over $10,000. And that does not include the mandatory purchase of scrip. In high school parents pay over $15,000. There is a Modern co-ed high school and a Yeshiva that is separate gender, as well as a bunch of other schools.
I think it is time for people to start to come together and consolidate the schools down to a large school with various tracks. Those who want co-ed education are going to have to give in and agree to separate education. Those who want to continue to segragate and segragate are also going to have to give in and join for the greater good.
Educating 120 high schoolers costs basically just as much as educating double the amount of high schoolers. Frankly, our schools are too small and it ends up costing everyone more.
It would be much more efficient to have larger schools with "tracks" designed by level, than tiny schools all struggling and fighting to survive.
Anyone figure out logistically how you can have over 10 elementary schools and only 3 girls high schools? Of course they don't have room!
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