Sunday, November 27, 2005

Agudah Convention

Noviminsker Rebbe:

  • defended lakewood's freezer against complaints it harms girls. Saying it's necessary.
  • said it's beneficial for boys to marry girls their own age.
  • he called "cruel and immoral" mothers who put a price tag on their son.

At the raucous Shidduch forum emotions flared with people, even a single girl, loudly proclaiming that the community is not doing enough!

It was suggested; people invite boys and girls for friday night; pay boys to go out with older girls, among other ideas.

R' Mattisyahu Solomon stated that technology has distanced us from Hashem, with traveling vehicles, phones, even lights, often distracting and making it more difficult to serve Hashem properly.

posted by Yeshiva Orthodoxy
at 2:43 PM


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you repeat that one from R. Dunner -- he said that electricity distances one from Hashem?"
Is there a transcript?
Is this the R. Dunner of Sheitel fame?

5:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rabbi Dunner does lots of traveling; has it distanced him from Hashem?

9:38 AM  
Blogger crazyrabbi said...

just another example of the agudahs being out of touch w reality. why does the agudah give a platform to such crazies? the c"leaders" they promote are damaging to us as acommunity. its all sizzle over substance and intelligence. starting with wachsmans shouting and yelling for an hour

9:58 AM  
Blogger Yeshiva Orthodoxy said...

I'm sorry it was R' Mattisyahu Solomon. I'm going to correct it, and expand

2:02 PM  
Anonymous SephardiLady said...

I'm trying to understand the part about lights distancing us from Hashem.

2:27 PM  
Blogger Yeshiva Orthodoxy said...

He said that when there was just candle light there was more routine or something like that.

2:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rabbi Solomon does even more traveling than Dunner.

3:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pay boys to meet older girls? You've gotta be kidding! And how about for marrying them? Would that be a separate payment, or is it one flat fee?

3:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do all the comments here have to be so negative ??

"R' Mattisyahu Solomon stated that technology has distanced us from Hashem, with traveling vehicles, phones, even lights, often distracting and making it more difficult to serve Hashem properly."

R. Solomon is definitely right.

Firstly even Chaza"l say (darshening on the verse 'lo me'eiver layom hi') that the Torah is not with one who is always travelling overseas. Constant movement has a negative effect on concentration and the like. One could argue that travel is easier and less time-consuming these days, but it still is tiring, disorienting, etc.

Phones (esp. cell, but other types too) are a big distraction. If a Rav's phone is always ringing how can he get in long hours of quiet uninterrupted learning to be a godol ?

Re electric lights - before cheap electric lighting people went to sleep earlier, rose earlier, got more sleep. Now they are tempted to stay up late and blur the boundaries between day and night. They don't get enough sleep, so are drowsy and can't concentrate as well as they should in work and learning, are more irritable, become coffee addicts (see how 'coffee bars' have become so widespread in Shuls, Yeshivas, botei midrosh), which is not healthy.

He didn't say that we must become Amish, but at least we should not deny that technology can be a mixed bag.

3:38 PM  
Anonymous LAMED ZAYIN said...

I don`t know about paying boys to meet girls;why not go back to the way things were done historically-pay the girl........

3:49 PM  
Anonymous Essie said...

Pay people to date and get married? What will they thinkk of next?

9:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Do all the comments here have to be so negative ??"

The comments are negative b/c people don't trust these supposed gedolim.

I think that all this talk about the dangers of technology are meant to lay the foundation for further anti-tech gezeiros. I'll bet we'll be seeing an anti-cell-phone "takanah" in Lakewood soon, a la EY.

Here's the process: A kanoi (most likely Gottlieb) makes a tumul about how dangerous cell phones are (especially the ones that can connect to the internet, since they allow you to see postage-stamp-sized pornography). After riling up Rabbi Solomon, he travels to EY to get his rubberstamp from the big guns. Then there's a big asifah where they tell horror stories about how people have been destroyed from cell phones, so we just have to make a takanah. Then they put out press releases featuring Gottlieb and Weisberg saying how thankful everyone is to them that there are no more cell phones in Lakewood.

I wonder what comes after that? Regular phones? Cars? The possibilities are endless!

11:21 AM  
Blogger Yeshiva Orthodoxy said...

I'll bet we'll be seeing an anti-cell-phone "takanah" in Lakewood soon,

For the bochurim, definetly!

12:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the contrary, the bochurim were last to be affected by the internet "takanah."

And, strangely enough, BMG seems to be exempt from the takanah. Otherwise, they'd be throwing out all bochurim whose parents have internet. I wonder why they aren't worried about this.

4:23 PM  
Anonymous ishyhudi said...

R' Mattisyahu Solomon stated that technology has distanced us from Hashem...

Th drivel emanating from the likes of Solomon and the rest of the Godolim imposter is what is distancing people from ...

7:00 PM  
Blogger turquoiseblue said...

c'mon people... you can't deny that technology definitely eats up so much precious time... even as it supposedly "saves time"... So it follows that it eats into the time that would allow us a little more reflecting and getting closer to Hashem...

I'm sure THAT'S what Rabbi S meant.

Heck, even blogging eats up so much of MY precious time... I have to admit - family time, G-d time, me time etc etc.

And a little respect please.

(Not that I agree with everything he says, but if disagreeing people will listen better if you speak respectfully... duh)

1:14 AM  

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