Monday, December 05, 2005

40% israel poor frum jews and arabs

Who's listening out there?!

Jerusalem Post:

Bank of Israel Governor Stanley Fischer said that according to a survey conducted by the Bank of Israel, 40% of Israel's poor are Arabs and ultra-Orthodox Jews...
posted by Yeshiva Orthodoxy
at 2:09 PM

8 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It doesn't at all say that 40% of frum are poor. Quite the contrary.

It says that of every 10 Israelis who are poor, 4 are either Arab or frum.

You'd think that with the noise the irreligious make about the frum being parasites, the percentage would be much higher.

2:57 PM  
Blogger Yeshiva Orthodoxy said...

Among jews it's the "ultra orthodox" that are poor.
They can't get a job because they don't serve in the army.Have little skills. I think some serious solutions are needed.
Not just in Israel.

3:11 PM  
Anonymous Chezkel said...

They can't get jobs because the rabbanim assur learning a trade, and the entire male educational system is geared towards learning one's whole life. The female educational system, or at least those parts of it which don't want to see their names on pashkvitlach in Geula and the Yated, is focused on producing teachers.

3:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the problem is systemic in the UO world, as the two of you assert, the numbers would be much higher.

This statistic proves
1. that most of the Haredim are not poor

2. 6 of 10 Isaeli poor are mot Orthodox (or Arab). But they don't have anyone assering anythuing for them.

The two of you are mischaracterizing the numbers to promote an agenda...

3:30 PM  
Blogger Yeshiva Orthodoxy said...

You don't think there is a problem in our community- the "learning one"- to get a sufficient paying job?
I hope you're right.

3:38 PM  
Blogger Yeshiva Orthodoxy said...

Sadly, I hear more and more people while trying to support their family expressing the opinion: "the yeshiva system failed me".
They have an arguable point.

3:40 PM  
Anonymous Chezkel said...

Sorry, let's go over this again, anonymous.

(And yes, YO did misinterpret the article. 40% of the poor are Arabs and chareidim, that does not mean that 40% of Arabs and chareidim are poor. (Although incidentally it does work out almost that way.)

As far as the first anonymous' point about "parasites", aderaba. The reason that the chareidi poverty rate is not even higher is due to the (now-shrinking) Israeli welfare system.)

Based on the data that I could find, here's a quick analysis:

There are ~7 million Israelis.

23.6% of Israel's population lives below the poverty line.

19.5% of Israel's population is arab
6% is chareidi

Veiter:

~75% of the Israeli population is neither Arab nor chareidi. They represent %14.2 of the povery rate.

In other words, they have a ~19% poverty rate.

The remaining ~25% are the chareidim and Arabs (l'havdil, of course).

They represent %9.4 of the poverty rate.

In other words, they have a 38% poverty rate, TWICE as high as the other group! If a poverty rate of almost 2/5 is not a "systemic" problem, I don't know what is.

Yes, I am aware that it is problematic to discuss this issue because I don't have any figures dealing only with chareidim and excluding arabs. I'm working with the assumption that because they are grouped together, they have similiar poverty rates.

4:58 PM  
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5:02 PM  

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