Wednesday, December 21, 2005

Water under the Cedarbridge?

GlobeSt.com:

...Discussions center on a 7,000-seat arena that could cost upwards of $50 million...

One obstacle, according to State Sen. Robert Singer (R-Ocean County), whos the citys lead negotiator, is re-acquiring a seven-acre site needed to fill out the arenas building site. That seven acres was turned over to the locally based Cedarbridge Development a couple of years ago as part of that firms site assembly for a 200-acre office park. The latter project has been stalled, with only some site work completed to date....

"Stalled"? Who's at fault? Any accountability?
posted by Yeshiva Orthodoxy
at 8:48 PM

46 Comments:

Anonymous Yungerman said...

I have never voted against the VAAD. The past election I abstained. Those days are over. From now on, the VAAD's endorsement will cue me who not to vote for. The monopoly must be broken. Time is on our side-you can't fool all the people all the time

9:00 PM  
Anonymous A Resident said...

That is part of the reason the Yeshiva is willing to do the stadium deal. They have put money into developing the corporate park (enviormental studies, architects, planning) and they must show something for it. They cant pull out and declare a losss. Hence, the willingness to put up a stadium. So what if the RY's hold its assur to walk in. So what if it'll cost the "oilam" 50 mill.

The point is, I respect the RY's but I'm fining it a very very very hard pill to swallow that they are fine putting up a stadium at the expens of the oilam. i must say, it has shaken my faith in them and the yeshiva that I learn in.

9:07 PM  
Anonymous Bitmiya said...

you had faith in the yeshiva? the place is a monstrosity!!??????????????????????????

10:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What expense? If they succed in making the entire area a ax recovery zone, the bond will be repaid from a portion of the state tax on stadium receipts. It's not so pashut this will cost "the oilam" a single penny and the Yeshiva stands to gain a great deal in the land swap.

11:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey MR. not so pashut..
GO BACK TO YOUR GEMARA &stop dreaming. You are clueless.

1:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

December 21, 2005
Lakewood-Based Haredi Charity Uses Deceptive Advertising, Bad Charity Practices, Apparent Trademark Infringement
The Lakewood, NJ-based Kars-For-Kids is a front for Joy For Our Youth, which itself is a front for Oorah, a haredi missionary organization. The Saint Louis Post Dispatch reports on the deceptive advertising used by Kars-For-Kids, and the questionable business practices of Oorah:

Radio jingle is catchy-and it may catch you
By Bill Smith
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
12/20/2005

One of the hottest musical offerings of this holiday season may be a catchy radio jingle for a New Jersey-based vehicle donation program:

"1-877-KARS4KIDS. . . K-A-R-S, cars for kids . . . 1-877-KARS4KIDS. . . Donate your car today."

The advertising spots, which have been airing on KMOX since before Thanksgiving, offer few details on the vehicle donation program. They tell listeners the program is a "recognized charity" and donors will receive a "maximum deduction" from the Internal Revenue Service for their vehicles. The ad also says donors will receive a "free vacation voucher" good for a three-day, two-night stay.

What is left unsaid, and what also is conspicuously absent from the charity's Web site, is that almost all money raised through the Kars4Kids charity goes to a Lakewood, N. J.-based program set up to pay for private schooling and other educational programs. It aims to bring Jewish schoolchildren and adults closer to their heritage.

A 2004 report from the Better Business Bureau's national office, the most recent available, is tough on the Kars4Kids and related JOY For Our Youth program. The report says the charity may not meet at least eight of the BBB's 20 standards for charity accountability.

Among the BBB concerns:

The group's board of directors does not provide adequate oversight of the charity's organization and staff.

The group has declined to make public annual financial statements or annual reports.

The group does not have a board-approved budget.

Despite requests, the charity has not provided the BBB with fundraising and informational materials about its programs.

A BBB official says 70 percent of the national charities it has scrutinized meet all of its accountability standards.

Officials with Kars4Kids and JOY For Our Youth did not responded to several Post-Dispatch requests for information about either its advertising campaign or its programs.

The radio advertising spots refer listeners to the group's Web site at Kars4Kids.com. As of Tuesday, the site said car donations benefit JOY for Our Youth, which it describes as "an international organization providing for the physical, emotional and spiritual needs of distressed and at-risk youth."

The site also says that JOY was established in 1996 "to help those children who were on the streets with no one to turn to for help. JOY stepped in to fulfill a need for children who had nowhere to go and no one to turn to for help."

None of the Web site information indicates that Kars4Kids or JOY have any ties to a specific religious group, but federal tax records paint a different picture.

JOY's 2003 tax filing with the IRS - the most recent available - reports that its only only grant that year, for $207,000, was made to a nonprofit group called Oorah Inc. Tax records for both JOY and Oorah list the same New Jersey address.

While phone calls placed to Oorah also were not returned, that group's Web site says it was founded in 1980, "with the goal of awakening Jewish children and their families to their heritage.

"We seek out families who are interested in enriching their spiritual lives and provide them with the right resources to succeed."

The site also says Oorah enables children to enroll in Jewish day schools or yeshivas and brings "adult education opportunities to the parent, as well as all the ritual objects and support they need to live a full Jewish life."

A January 2005 story in New York's The Jewish Week said Oorah recruits potential students by going "door-to-door" in search of unobservant Jewish families receptive to the idea of sending their children to day school.

The article quotes Oorah's head, Eli Mintz, as saying: "I think it's the right of every Jewish child to know his tradition. And for him to really know his roots and who he is, not to intermarry, to keep his Jewish identity, without a yeshiva education, he doesn't have a clue."

The story says Mintz takes no salary but added that "he does not explain the source of his income."

Bennett Weiner, chief operating officer with the Better Business Bureau's Wise Giving Alliance, said federal tax rules on car donations were tightened beginning with this year. Prior to this year, most donors could claim a tax deduction in the amount of the fair market value of the donated vehicle. Now, if the charity or its agent resells a donated car, the donor in most cases is able to take a deduction only for the amount of the car sale.

Weiner also said car donations have become increasingly popular among charities, which usually negotiate with third-party brokers to pick up and sell the cars for them.

Weiner urged that vehicle owners research a charity's programs, finances and governance before making a donation.

He did not criticize the Kars4Kids program, saying the BBB reports serve only as a guide to help prospective donors decide whether they should give to a specific charity.

Kars-For-Kids describes Joy For Our Youth this way:

Your car donation to Kars-4-Kids™ will benefit Joy for Our Youth. J.O.Y. is an international organization providing for the physical, emotional, and spiritual needs of distressed and at-risk youth.…

JOY is a registered international, 501(c)(3), non-profit organization providing developmental programs for at risk youth. JOY provides food, clothing, shelter, health and wellness, education, after school programs, special training, mentoring, tutoring, private counseling, summer programs, and guidance to children from the ages of six to eighteen.

Established in 1996 to help those children who were on the streets with no one to turn to for help. The dire situation of many young children was at dangerous levels. JOY stepped in to fulfill a need for children who had no where to go and no one to turn to for help. JOY has blossomed into an international organization helping to alleviate the problems of hundreds of children, and finding solutions that work.

Yet, all of Joy's money goes to Oorah, which describes itself this way:

Oorah, which means "Awaken," was founded in 1980 with the goal of awakening Jewish children and their families to their heritage.

We seek out families who are interested in enriching their spiritual lives, and provide them with the right resources to succeed.

We enable children to enroll in Jewish day schools or yeshivos, where they receive a full religious and secular education straight through high school.

While the children learn and grow, we bring adult education opportunities to the parents, as well as all the ritual objects and support they need to live a full Jewish life.

Oorah has the endorsements (Download oorah_rabbinic_endorsements.pdf) of many haredi gedolim and rabbinic leaders, including many who sigined the Rabbi Slifkin Ban, and a who's who of Modern Orthodox leaders as well, including YU's Rabbi Modechai Willig, the OU and YU's Rabbi Menachem Genak, and the Beit Din of America's Rabbi Michael Broyde.

Also note that Kars-For-Kids and Joy For Our Youth have apparently stolen the trademarked Dummies symbol from the Dummies Guides series and used it for a "Dummies Guide To Car Donations" and for a "Dummies Guide To In Kind Donations" on their respective websites.

1:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/8112A527DBA00F19862570DE001B685A?OpenDocument
this article is about lakewoods famous keeruv org.
**what a shanda**
there goes my free erev shavuos pickels

1:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It's not so pashut this will cost "the oilam" a single penny"

It's not so pashut it won't! Who is the muchzak with the right to the money? Us before we pay tax or the yeshiva? What is the usual case, taxes go up, taxes go down?

Get job lamdan you are as krum as can be, sad to think all these years of sitting in front of your gemara, has done nothing to your head.

9:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That "OORAH" article came from the failedmessiah, which is a site to bash everything Haredei. They claim not be Haredei anymore.

There are numerous improperities with the Cedarbridge project from the onset. The infrastructure was not paid for by BMG (as it was supposed to be)but they faneigeled a State grant. The site should be put back out to bid as the original was rigged.
Let's stop all of the back door deals on our backs. What was the outcome of the FBI investigation of Cedarbridge? is it over? This may just advance the FBI's investigation in this project.

9:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I the undersigned being a NJ State Certified Tax Assessor, testified in NJ Tax Court on behalf of OORAH & it was demonstrated overwhelmingly that OORAH is doing a great service and is entitled to their exemption without question.

Thank you,
Yehuda Shain

9:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The point of the article was not that oorah is not doing a great job, but that they say one thing in their JOY listing, and another in the OORAH listing, yet the money from both goes to the same place.

9:52 AM  
Anonymous Lakewood Yid said...

Keep talking about Oorah guys....till your tax bill comes. Then you'll start talking about the stadium but by then it'll be to late.

10:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The RY's agreed in principal that in order for the Devils $$$$$$$$ to go through, for the benefit of TORAH they will NOT put out an "issur". Now that's "achr'eius" for $$$$. "omer mi'at v'asei harbeh"

10:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That article may have appeared at failed messia but it originally apppeared in this St. Louis news paperhttp://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/8112A527DBA00F19862570DE001B685A?
We are taking here about deception of the public not weather they deserve an exemption, Mr Shain.
My ToraH tells me that Genrevas Dass is assur too.

10:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure where the geneivas daas here is. The bottom line is that as part of its work, Oorah provides camping for kids, food packages for needy families, and social support services for them. There's nothing shady or illegitimate about that. Those are real services, and those aspects of Oorah's work need support.
The Fresh Air Fund sends kids to camps.
And how many people know that the "salvation" that the Salvation Army is talking about is our cousin J*sus, who they missionize for?
So cool it -- a talented journalist looking for "a scoop" can turn almost anything into a scandal.
And Failed Messiah simply hates anything frum.

11:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I happen to detest failed messiah; however, I don't think it's frumkeit that he hates, so much as what he calls "haredi"ism, by which I think he means yeshivishkeit.

12:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

***Breaking News***

Yungerleit to receive return mail form from yeshiva re: internet use. For must be received by Jan 3 to return to Yeshiva. Those with internet required to meet wth yeshiva poseik prior to readmittance.

***Breaking News***

12:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would be interesting to find out from an accountant if we can deduct the raise in (assessments)taxes as a donation to BMG & the MOISDOS as we vote for their candidates and they get cut a of the booty $$$ from the township, so it's our forced donation to BMG and the MOISDOS. When we have the summer TENT festival up Seventh St we should take full credit for our allready paid (forcfully) donations via vote & taxes.

12:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's a good idea. We should tell that to Herzkowitz when he calls.

1:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

let's look ahead as life doesn't end here.

"Yerusha" fights only start when there is $$$$$$$$ money.

Theese Cedarbridge, Devils and the other behind the scenes $$$ deals aren't going to bear edible fruit till the next generation.

So the KOTLERS are (without realizing) setting themselves up for a bloody fight. Ponevitz, Bobov etc is nothing compared to the big KOTLER one on the horizon.
They are hurting themselves for the short term benefit "on our expense".

Don't ask-don't tell "yet" is the name of the game.

1:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yungerleit to receive return mail form from yeshiva re: internet use. For must be received by Jan 3 to return to Yeshiva. Those with internet required to meet wth yeshiva poseik prior to readmittance."

The was a comment somewere here with more details

http://yeshivaorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2005/10/lakewood-bans-kollel-from-internet.html

2:04 PM  
Anonymous Bitmiya said...

a kotler yerusha fight would be the best thing for america. such a fight would facilitate the creation of real yeshivas in america.

Rules posted in the dorm? will everyone now throw out their radios?
?????????????????????????????????????????

2:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Rules posted in the dorm? will everyone now throw out their radios?"

Can anyone explain why the hanala thinks of us as 16 years olds?

2:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because time and again you act like it.

Did you ever wonder why you're still in the dorm and not married?

2:20 PM  
Anonymous Bitmiya said...

because he's smart enough not to get married early to help the "Crisis"

2:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The difference between the latest letter and the previous letter is that this letter requires a reply by Jan 3. If the yeshiaz doesn't have a reply on file by that date, yngerleit may be asked to leave. The reply requires one to state the existence of a computer with or without internet in the home. Those with internet will be required to meet with one of the yeshiva poskim before readmission. This letter, it would seem, unlike the last, has some follow-through behind it.

2:26 PM  
Anonymous Bitmiya said...

The rules in the dorm have nothing to do with age. they just don't want these thing s in the dorm. the question is. this thing was always bad. and it's been ignored till the latest fiasco. but will they ignore it again now that they put up a paper????????????????????????????

no question, of course they will, ignoreing people is something they're good at

2:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Because time and again you act like it.

Did you ever wonder why you're still in the dorm and not married?"

Fool, I'm maried and I'm asking about the internet letter to the kollelite. They treat you, and anyone of any age like babys, hence the self imposed mission to control. If you can't tell you're being treated like like a baby maybe you don't know what it means to be grown up. Its the fools like you that gave them the power base to act the way they do. Grow up. Maybe immature 33 years olds do need to be micro managed

2:30 PM  
Anonymous Bitmiya said...

they like control because they like control. but they're losing it fast. (quickly realizing they never had it).also ak has definitely seen this page by now.

2:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is to stop anyone from lying? Will they have a snitch bonus? Do they want this to be a way for neighbors to threaten each other? How will the enforce this?

What happens if I get kick out, do I lose my kollel check which I don't get? Will they stop collecting grants from the gov't, will they stop harasing my parents/in-laws for money?
Will I be put in cherem? Will the poskem not answer my shailos?

2:37 PM  
Anonymous Bitmiya said...

who is to stop anyone from lying?????? haha haha who will bother turning in the form

2:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"also ak has definitely seen this page by now."

I think I'm going to send him an email, complaining about the terible influence the internet is having on his power base, and what a chillul hashem it is. I'll send him link and tell him this crisis must be taken care of now with the higher ups.

We can assume he will do what he can to find who post on this site.

2:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't worry if your family has money, there is no need to send in the form. Just as there was no need for you to know how to read a gemara befoe you came.

2:43 PM  
Anonymous Bitmiya said...

what can he do?????????????????????

2:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if everything is ignored until there is a fiasco, which higher up's child went on the internet before they started this ban????????????????????????? was it his birthday party?????????????

2:49 PM  
Anonymous Overtaxed kollel man said...

Lemaseh in yeshiva although D.F. is trying to make a tumul it does not have much traction - many people hearing the numbers don't beleive you will be able to convince them out of it. Also I don't think the stadium will efect me in any way since Blue claws don't - However what does concern me is TAXES TAXES TAXES - we need someone to honestly assess how much it is going to cost? Are they gonna get enough back from retail stores - the houses don't con't because any money that comes in needs to go for schooling garbage etc. etc. Maybe YUDEL SHAIN can do a study for us.

3:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is DF?

3:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What will be if every send backan empty envelope? Thousands of empty envelopes. The Yeshiva will figure out how to spent their money in mailings.

3:57 PM  
Anonymous Aaron Kotler said...

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8:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you think you're such a genius for figuring that out?

8:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is BMG's CEO?
Some say as industry goes these days Enron etc. it stands for Chief Embezelment Officer.

10:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any real yungerman knows exactly who DF is. One thing about Df you gotta admire, he's not scared of the powers in town and in yeshiva

11:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's an admirable trait?!

12:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a baal habos, not a yungerman, so who's DF?

And yes, it is an admirable trait.

3:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you can't say openly who DF is then he's also on of them pach'dunim.

I don't believe it's Farkas.

Any other ones.

6:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If D.F. is in fact our good chaver R' Dovid - then he's certainely not the scared kind of guy, especially when he truly believes that Be'makom Chillul Hashem ain Cholkin Kavod LaRav!

Mistame Er Halt that the entire affair and its aftermath will lead to the opposite of ruchnius!

Do you think that the Gedolim in E"Y also allow such a thing?! Woe unto us!

12:25 AM  

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