Thursday, December 22, 2005

Decide: Kollel or Internet

Lakewood Yeshiva is taking a firm stance to firm up its' hallowed halls.

Every Lakewood kollel man was sent another letter (prior post) forbidding at home, with parnassah an exception, the internet.

This time it came with a disclosure form that must be checked off, if you have: a computer; the internet.

If you do have the internet and it's needed for parnasah an appointment must be made with one of Yeshiva's Dayonim.

The form must be mailed back by Jan. 3rd.

If the Yeshiva wants to maintain a strong, intense, pure, unadultrated makom torah, telling kollel guys "get off the internet" seems prudent and wise.

Cell phones with internet capabilities probably will be next.
posted by Yeshiva Orthodoxy
at 7:57 PM


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Protest, send back an empty envelope.

4:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it Postage paid?

4:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


4:30 PM  
Anonymous moshe pipick said...

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4:33 PM  
Blogger Frum Singles said...

Another variable to be factored in the shiduch maze; ie do you have internet at home.

4:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This post has been removed by the blog administrator.

That must have been a good post.

5:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems prudent? Please tell me you're joking. The only thing that seems prudent is telling Lakewood to grow up and stop banning eveything in site. When did the city that is supposed to be our shining hallmark of Torah descend to such levels? I'm more disgusted than I can express in words.

5:35 PM  
Blogger Yeshiva Orthodoxy said...

"When did the city that is supposed to be our shining hallmark of Torah descend to such levels?"

Do you really think that Govoha shouldn't have torahdik standards, and try to enforce them?
On one hand people say "the learning there leads much to be desired".
Yet when they try to rectify it, they're vilified.
That being said I do worry about the negative ramifications visa vi future parnassah opportunities.

6:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The yeshiva should have Torahdik standards. Those standards don't involve banning the Internet. I wish yeshivas had better things to do than go around banning things. I learned in another major U.S. yeshiva which never banned anything for its kollel guys, and everyone was so much the better. A lot of the yeshivish community continues to dismay me, more and more with each passing day.

7:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, but YU isn't a "major U.S. Yeshiva"...

8:01 PM  
Blogger MASHGIACH said...


8:18 PM  
Anonymous Irv223 said...

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8:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My dear friend Anonymous,
The major U.S. yeshiva I went to was in fact Ner Yisroel in Baltimore. Don't make stupid assumptions about people, that's what gets your kind into trouble in the first place. However, I still resent your dismissal of Y.U. A lot of people learn seriously there; it is probably one of the bigger batei midrashos in America. So maybe get your sinas chanim index fixed, my friend, and don't assume things when you don't know the facts.
A student of Ner Yisroel

9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Mashgiach,
I guess sliced bread wasn't such a great thing then. Your name seems to be pretty indicative of the way you think. If these Lakewood bozoes are allowed to continue to run amok, they'll take away all your civil liberties before you know it. When will Lakewood residents wake up and smell the coffee? Your lives don't have to be controlled by these lunatics.

9:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Yeshiva had to Assur it - but why do they have to send out letters and enforce it? There others things Yeshiva against in wich they have a don't ask don't tell policy. Also in light of recent things brought up on this blog I beleive that although Yeshiva can decide to do things to benifit financialy however they lost the right to be the moral arbitrators on any issues.

9:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are 100% accurate. Yeshiva has lost it's moral compass. Maybe any yeshiva would not have turned down the temptation for 200 mil but they shouldn't be telling us what to do. The days that they represent ריינע Torah values are over. For that I will go to הגר"ח עפשטיין שליט"א

9:58 PM  
Blogger מרן ראש הישיבה שליט"א said...

I don't see why the Takonos from the schools are not enough. Do they want to exclude all the estemmed Rabbonim in shtut besides the four dayanim?

10:08 PM  
Anonymous Bitmiya said...

this isn't a halachic shaaloh. it's a reshus from the school thing, i just wish they didn't give the job to the biggest talmidei chachomim in the school. it's a bezayon letorah

11:01 PM  
Anonymous Bitmiya said...

what's up in bmg????????? they're threatening to throw people out??????????? about time! for things that have nothing to do with the yeshiva????????? stam the private lives of the yungerleit????????? is this going to make the yeshiva better???????? or are they just saving the souls of the stupid masses that attend their place??????? Why don't they try working on getting guys to come to seder before regulating bein hasdorim????????????????????????????

11:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bitmiya, maybe minimize the question marks a little. But you're right-the yeshiva has no business interfering in people's private lives. Down with this latest tyranny at Lakewood. Whata great "makom Torah."

11:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Internet no..but stadium on the our backs yea?????????

11:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anonymous who assumed I went to Y.U.,
Are you too embarrassed to respond now that you know I went to Ner Yisroel? I really wanted to hear back from you because that assumption you made was probably the funniest comment I've ever gotten in response to one of mine. just goes to show you, eh?

12:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry - I was busy calling around to see if anyone had heard of this Ner Israel of which you speak...

12:48 PM  
Blogger Jewboy said...

Maybe check with Rabbi Aharon Feldman, shlita. His phone number is 410-653-9433. He might be able to fill you in a little about Ner Israel.I guess it's hard for those outside NY and NJ to recognize that there are other Jews in the rest of the U.S., not to mention large yeshivos.But Rabbi Herman Neuberger, zt'll, sure recognized that, as well as recognizing that there were other Jews outside the U.S. But since you've never heard of Ner Israel, I guess you missed out on hearing about his great life. Too bad. Would've done you some good.

2:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, _now_ I remember. Ner Yisrael was that little back woods place, a shtickel modern if I remeber, that lured in R' Aharon Feldman, shlita, to shtarken them up a bit. How's that going, by the way? ;)

7:20 PM  
Blogger Jewboy said...

Better than you can possibly imagine, fool. A lot better than your holier than thou Lakewood dump ever will be. Maybe if you were more modern you'd know how to spell.

7:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's it? Your oly comment is that I can't spell??? That's rich.

1:37 AM  
Blogger Jewboy said...

Only not oly.

10:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


11:12 AM  
Blogger Jewboy said...

Freilechen Chanukkah, Anon.

12:06 PM  
Anonymous eli v said...

The Churban begins here....

1:57 AM  

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